As has been shown over the last couple months there have been several cases where some election office has done screwy things with voter ballots... Changing the vote, not counting in them all ect...

https://t.co/pgkikQEvmz?amp=1

Above is just the recent example I have found... Yes.. I'm fully aware the it happens on both sides... Republicans are guilty of this as well so relax @stumbler . This thread is not about who is doing it.... It's about it being done so no need to post the 100's of cases where conservatives have done it...

Since we know it's being done by both sides.... Why would anyone seek to make it easier with no voter ID laws and vote by mail?

 

First of all you are just such a phony hypocrite. You say both sides do it but only include this one example

Then second of all what are we talking about here?

Would 193 votes change the outcome of the election?

So tell you what since you personally drug me into this @Bitsman you need to find all the examples of voter fraud you can and post them right here so we can judge if election fraud is a real problem or not.

Let's see you put your efforts where your mouth is. Because if you don't then we know you are just pushing a phony strawman just to try and keep Americans from voting by mail.

And also why is ok for Trump, his family, and many in his administration to vote by mail but not the rest of the country?

 

Here's an answer !

Wut
You have voter fraud in the US ?

No

Never

Un believable

Now you gonna tell me you got countafeet dollas to

an here I thaught you just had corrup politic'cans who got foreign leaders to smear their oppozishon

 

Lessee...you can only get a mail-in ballot if you are a registered voter...you have to have ID to register to vote...What's the problem again?

 

@Bitsman

No now you are the one who called me into this and you need to either put up or shut up. How many cases of voter fraud are we talking about for the whole country Republican and Democrat combined?

 

Well if both sides are cheating so they cancel each other out, so it will be the same by mail in, except yes except with mail in the Republicans wont be able to keep as many voters from voting and there in lies their problem

 

"Based on her experience as Washington State’s Director of Elections, Lori Augino said that “Of the nearly 3.2 million ballots cast [in Washington in 2018], only 0.004% of the total ballots cast may have been fraudulent.”

I'm not too concerned about it. I'll mail my ballot in. I'm not going to a covid infested polling booth.

 

Dead people got stimulus checks because the Trump administration failed to check Social Security death records before they sent out the checks.

And if you can find an example of a vote cast by a dead person let's see it. There are lots of dead people on voter registration rolls in some states but that is because the states fail to up date their voter registration rolls. But those votes are not being cast.

This is all just bullshit hysterics and lies for the simple reason that Trump and the Republicans actually let people vote they will lose.

 

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And which direction it's broken in leads right to the top, generally the governor or secretary of state. If anyone thinks Rod Blagojevich was an exception, not the rule they're living in the stone age.

 

@Sexlover95 asks:
This was a big discussion even when the stimulus check thing came about. Dead people were receiving checks, while others got nothing. Now tell me the same can't and won't happen with votes?

Look at the reason why:


The IRS Sent $1.4 Billion in Stimulus Checks to Dead People. That’s Good.
Nothing’s too good for the dead. Photo: Eric Gay/AP/Shutterstock

This year, the federal government sent more than 1 million coronavirus relief checks to dead people. The miserly busybodies at the Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a complaint about this inadvertent “cash for cadavers” program Thursday, and now a bunch of news outlets are stoking outrage over Uncle Sam’s giant handout to Big Dead.

But concerns about this “problem” and its “astonishing scope” are misguided.

Here’s what happened: Back in March, the economy was collapsing, tens of millions of Amerians were in the process of losing their jobs, and Congress passed a giant relief bill to keep households solvent during the hard times to come. The rapid onset of the economic crisis posed a logistical challenge to the IRS. Americans needed cash relief yesterday, but the agency did not have the payment infrastructure in place to immediately deposit $1,200 into every eligible resident’s bank account. Meanwhile, ensuring that no ineligible Americans were mistakenly sent relief would require a time-consuming review process. So the agency opted to err on the side of not letting poor Americans go hungry. In practice, this involved, among other things, sending payments to nearly 1.1 million Americans who had perished between filing a 2018 or 2019 tax return and April 2020.

Such payments were dispersed for two main reasons. First, IRS lawyers initially interpreted the legislation as mandating the delivery of relief payments to Americans who’d paid their 2019 taxes, irrespective of their burial status (eventually, the IRS determined that it did actually have the authority to discriminate on the basis of existence). Second, disqualifying Americans who’d paid taxes in 2018 — but not 2019 — on the grounds that they had since died would have required checking each such individual’s name against the Social Security Administration’s death records, a process that would have delayed the disbursement of aid to the living.

By cutting these corners, the IRS largely accomplished its difficult mission. Within two weeks of the CARES Act’s passage, the agency had delivered 80 million electronic relief payments. By May, stimulus checks had made it into the hands of enough cash-strapped Americans to push U.S. personal income up — and the nation’s poverty rate down — even as the economy hemorrhaged jobs. All together, the IRS sent 160 million coronavirus relief payments totaling $269.3 billion. Of that, 1.1 million payments worth $1.4 billion went to the departed. Which is to say: The program had an error rate of roughly 0.4 percent. That is not a scandal. It is a triumph.

The real scandal here is journalists promoting the idea that it is scandalous for a tiny fraction of Americans to receive public aid that wasn’t intended for them. The harms of dispensing relief to people who don’t “need” it — in this case, the survivors of the recently deceased — are much lower than the harms of denying aid to the impoverished. And yet, because the former is so easy for Republicans to demagogue, or nonpartisan news outlets to wag their fingers at, policymakers end up erring on the side of afflicting the afflicted. In the U.S., nearly 20 percent of people who are eligible for food stamps never receive them. This is in part because the process for securing such means-tested benefits is often onerous for cash-strapped households. America would be much better off if our government erred more on the side of making too many of its citizens more materially comfortable.

Further, concerns about misallocating relief are especially perverse in the CARES Act. In the present moment, consumers are slashing spending and companies are cutting investment. To prevent the economy from slipping into an ever-deeper recession, the public sector needs to juice demand through deficit spending. By appropriating more than $3 trillion in stimulus since March, Congress has ostensibly affirmed its faith in this basic tenet of Keynesian economics. And yet, if we recognize that the economy is hurting for aggregate demand, it’s not clear why sending relief payments to dead people isn’t preferable to not doing so (assuming we face a binary choice between those options). Plenty of living Americans who received stimulus checks spent the bulk of their aid on their next of kin. So what’s wrong with the survivors of a recently deceased person (whose income last year was low enough to qualify them for aid) enjoying a little more disposable income? As a nation, do we really want to prioritize ensuring that the recently bereaved don’t have it too easy over rapidly getting aid into the hands of the needy and accelerating the onset of economic recovery?

The United States spent $1 trillion getting 2,300 Americans killed in Afghanistan for no reason. We spent $1.5 trillion developing a fighter jet that can’t fly during thunderstorms. And the Government Accountability Office has nothing better to do than scold the IRS for not working hard enough to claw back coronavirus relief checks from widows and orphans?

Let’s worry less about how much our government accidentally spent on aiding the bereaved and more about how little it is willing to spend on keeping its most vulnerable people from losing their homes, incomes, and health.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/irs-coronavirus-stimulus-checks-dead-people-gao.html

Now, one big difference is, the registered voter generally has to request an absentee ballot. You have to be alive to make the request.

 

Hey @Bitsman why don't you answer this.